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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.15 16:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Trojanman190
*Long post a few pages back*
get this man a cookie, stat!
nail on head with the range ner***e, force it to use less ecm therefore making it not 'get lucky and jam 7 BS at the same time'.
strength is fine overall, eccm could perhaps use a small buff, say 2.5-3x original ship strength instead of the 2x atm it is sad when jammed for most of the time still with an eccm fitted. as it stands an eccm will just stop you being perma jammed, no where near being able to fight propelry.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:09:00 -
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whoever sed give ECCM modules a script to either give a static number of points or 100% more is a genius.
ATM a BS with an eccm does still get jammed, yes 50% less, but 50% less perma jam is still 50% less time to actually fight (along with his 6 freinds also taken out of the fight for 50% of the time) BY ONE RECON!
yes i did used to fly gall recons, and no i dont fly the falcon, simply because my luck sucks with the chance based system. Damps need to be boosted, one gall recon with 4 damps has trouble making life difficult for one ship,not even a BS! but thats another story for another time.
Im just sick and tired of a decent 10 v 10 type fight where one gang gets completely owned because they had an extra falcon, with or without eccm.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.18 00:42:00 -
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nerf it,
*whooooshTT*
Nerf it now!
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.18 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lorz0r
Today our 6-man gang got jumped by a 30-40 man fleet. It was a guardian RR gang and we held up quite well against them until their ECM came in. 2 Falcons, 1 Scorp and a Blackbird. They more or less perma jammed everyone in the fleet. Big deal right? Yeah it was as each ship has a minimum of 1 overloaded ECCM module and the guardians have 2. We ALSO had a Remote ECCM Damnation with us. My Sensor strength was 70+, the guardians even higher. Of course as soon as they jammed one of the guards the game was over.
We have done just about everything possible to counter ECM and it still doesn't work, theres **** all you can do about it without a gang of remote ECCM ships.
your wrong!
actually.
MOAR FALCONS THAN THEMSEZ!
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.18 15:24:00 -
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eccm on a capital works well but far from unjammable, eccm on a BS makes a bit of difference but not alot, fitting one on anything smaller wont make any difference at all.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.20 04:27:00 -
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yeah they got nerfed a bit, but the falcon in particular got a boost with the rook then a boost over the rook (rook used to have a better strength to ecm bonus) AND the falcon got an extra low for another ecm mod.
all in all, due to its cloaky goodness the falcon got pimped while everything else got nerfed and now what a surprise its awesome and very heavily used in every gang tyye. |
Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.21 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lorz0r
Think whatever you want, Falcon's make PVP boring as hell.
i think thats more the fault of ECM than the falcon.
back when everyone used ecm pvp was boring so they nerffed it, then the falcon came along and they boosted it so it was decent at jamming, everyone gets jammed again and everyone whines...
while im up for nerfing falcons, really a tweak to ecm might be better (such as making a jam only lasts 5 seconds while the cycle lasts 20 seconds still, so more of an annoying burst) |
Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.21 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Giving damps a decent optimal range would be a great help as well. As it stands, the falcon has no real nemesis. If damps optimal was farther then I could spit it would actually give falcon pilots something to fear.
yeah, at least make them feel as usless as the 4+ ships they destroy the fun for in a fight
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.08.23 01:54:00 -
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just tested on a TQ fight
rook with 4.9896 strength on multis and a 7.4844 on racials, fitted with 4x caldari and 2x multi.
falcon fitted with 6x multis at 9.03 strength (way more than the rook combined)
we had a 20 minute ECM brawl.
rook ecm ship strength 32
falcon ecm ship strength 28
No word of lie, the falcon was jammed for 90% of the fight, falcon might get a jam in on the rook when the rooks jammers failed but was rare and the falcon was perma jammed for a huge amount of the fight.
bare in mind the falcon had near double the strenth of the rooks multis, and way more than racials and yet the falcon gets jammed SIGNIFICANTLY more than the rook.
the ECM calculations DO NOT WORK and need to be looked at, the paper work says the falcon should jam the rook easily for a long time but we see the exact opposite.
now you may say this is circumstantial but this was a 20 minute engagement, carefully recorded.
ECM is messed up, changed based is one thing but something somewhere is completely broken.
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